November 06, 2005

Reader Survey

I'm feeling a bit grumpy so I'm not going to phrase this as diplomatically as I could. Or should.

Going over the referal logs I see a lot of people visit here from certain states. These are states which I detest & cannot fathom how any self respecting gun owner would make a pit stop, let alone live there. Mainly I see a lot of hits from Cali, D.C. & Illinois with some from NJ, NY & Mass.

So be as anonymous as you like, but please try to explain to me why the hell you'd live in such a place. These aren't places with mildly burdensome laws - these states treat any gun owner as an enemy; someone to be closely monitored & hopefully discouraged from pursuing any shooting related activity. Self defense is not viewed as favorably by the law as in other states & mere possession without the right paperwork could get you jailed & your arms confiscated. Sure, there are other factors but tell me - if a state put limits on your freedom of speech & freedom of religion as it does your Right to Arms would you still be there?

Illinois especially. I cannot begin to describe how much I loathe that state (because of it's attitude towards me & my kind), yet I see hits from there quite a bit.

Why do you live there? Why do you support (economically, through taxation if nothing else) a state that treats you with such disrespect? & if you are content with the gun laws there, then why the hell do you bother coming to read my site?

Posted by Publicola at November 6, 2005 02:28 PM | TrackBack

If only all states would see the good in what Alaska and Vermont are doing. Guns have never been the issue. Control has.

Posted by: gunner at November 6, 2005 08:57 PM


I live in Virgina but work in DC. Hits from me at work show up as either from Maryland or DC. Hits from me at home come in mostly as DC, but on the rare occaision Fairfax, VA.

As far as New Jersey - my poor brother is still stuck there (as are my parents - they have a business there and can't really move it out of state). I believe they visit your page on occaision, so that may explain some of the hits from Jersey you see. The rest may also be coming from Jersey - or perhaps are coming from people living just over the border in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: countertop at November 7, 2005 07:50 AM

I'm in California by necessity, not by choice. California's major cities are on the left coast in the middle and the south, so commuting from gun-friendly Oregon, Nevada or Arizona is not an option. If offered a similar job in a more gun-friendly state, particularly one whose real estate prices are not so insanely high, I'd take it.

Posted by: Xrlq at November 7, 2005 02:57 PM

Apart from the overseas stuff, I grew up here and it wasn't always this bad, probably always a bit weird and crazy given what it takes to get people to cross an entire country in a wagon looking for gold. Anyhow somebody's gotta fight these anti-gun jerks who moved here from Brooklyn (Barbara Boxer) and such - they came for college but then they wouldn't leave, dammit, and they're screwing everything up. How come nobody in the Senate is working to put Feinstein in a box and nail it shut - such creeps need to have their effectiveness severely curtailed, but we don't seem to get any help from our neighbors - is it all just pork?
I shoot with a pretty active club that works with the CMP and trains ROTC kids besides being a large sponsor to the local NRA Silicon-Valley chapter's fundraising - those and the CRPA and GOC are organizations that are active here, and if Prop. 77 passes the liberal controlled districts that are gerrymandered all across the state should fade and a more correct picture of the state will emerge - California isn't all flakes and fruits, they just dominate the headlines.

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 7, 2005 05:36 PM

You hate the states, so...people from them shouldn't read you?

Not quite seeing how that works...

Posted by: arco at November 7, 2005 07:39 PM

I hate those states. Yes.
My question was why do gun owners stay there & if a gun owner who is there isn't terribly bothered by such gun control then why would he/she be reading my (or any other pro-rkba) site.

It's not that I don't want a gun owner from one of those states reading my site, it's I cannot fathom why a gun owner would stay in one of those states. & I doubly cannot fathom why a gun owner who's happy with such heinous gun control laws would bother reading any pro-gun site at all.

I'll elaborate more after I (hopefully) get some more responses in.

Posted by: Publicola at November 8, 2005 06:06 AM

So let's pull the troops away from the front lines and hunker them down in safe zones away from the fray? Ceding territory sure sounds like a recipe for ending up isolated and surrounded.

My guess is the flash point will not occur in a low-pressure zone.

Posted by: David Codrea at November 8, 2005 08:17 AM

Just because we live/work in one of the states you hate, we must all be sheeple?

Try this on for size: "Why would you live in a colony where the army can billet soldiers in your house at any time, tax you without representation and declare all your local statutes null and void at the whim of the distant government?"

Answer: I don't _anymore_.

Posted by: Tim at November 8, 2005 10:52 AM

I'm in California.

I actually commented on one of your previous threads about bad states for gun owners.

You put california as one of the worst, and while it's bad, it's really not *that* bad.

I'd describe the california gun laws as mostly irritating and stupid, of the "AR's are evil but mini-14's are ok" variety.

Unlike, say, Massachusetts, you don't need any special licence to buy guns or ammo.

There's a handgun safety certificate you need to buy handguns, but all you need to do is pay some money and take a (trivial) test. Like I said, irritating and stupid, not a serious barrier.

Put it this way; if Massachusetts suddenly passed a shall-issue CCW law but left all their other laws in place, it'd still suck. If California passed shall-issue, it'd be a pretty comfortable place with some (again) irritating and stupid laws.

But.... that doesn't really answer your question. I live here because it's home. Gun rights are important to me, but they're not the only thing I care about, either.


Posted by: Matt at November 8, 2005 03:19 PM

Yeh I guess I dunno why - why did my dad come back here after Annapolis, when the war ended? Must be just because it's on my list of gunblogs to preuse. But I would really never put a plywood stock on my '43 SA Garand, it's almost as bad as birch!

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 8, 2005 04:41 PM

Actually, I came to CA many years ago to escape the gun control laws of IL. How is that for a touch of irony? Most of my family still lives in IL. The only time my neices and nephews get to shoot is when I come to visit - with a vehicle full of ammo and weapons.

I agree with you about the current (and deteriorating) anti-gun atmosphere in CA. I am making my plans for a move to Wyoming - hopefully to a permanent home there. I LOVE the gun-friendly nature of that state and the people that live there.
I live near a shooting range that has 8 matches a month - mainly action pistol but also 3 gun and shotgun competition. I figure the value of that training and practice offsets my personal contribution via taxes to a state with a severe case of HUA.

I teach the NRA pistol class, coach junior high & high school rifle teams via the California Cadet Corps, and take groups of teachers to the range several times a year. I figure those kind of activities help to justify my continued stay here.

I have a wife, adult step-children and a grandson here in CA. When the time comes I will probably be the only one to leave CA. I tell my wife I feel like I am living in East Germany watching that wall being built - knowing that we can all leave now, and the longer we stay the more difficult it will be. She wants to stay to be near her friends and family.

Why am I still in CA? If not for the conflicts listed above (and many more) I would already be gone. For now, I hold my nose and plan for my move toward liberty.

Posted by: JT at November 10, 2005 07:04 AM

I live in MA.

I live on land that my grandfather bought when he was struggling to survive after coming to America to escape Mussolini's Italy in the run-up to WWII.

So excuse the fuck out of me if I don't want to turn tail and leave the land my family has owned for three generations. Four if you count my son.

Yes, the politics in MA suck. Yes, the gun laws are atrocious.

But this is MY land. This is where I grew up. This is part of who I am.

And I will NOT concede defeat to the statist fucktards that easily.

(Oh, and my wife doesn't want to move, either...)

Posted by: Jay G at November 12, 2005 11:48 PM

Just to make it perfectly clear - I AM going to leave California because I cannot stand to live under their stupid civi-rights-violating gun control laws. The preparations at this stage of my life are going to take some time. I am looking at 5 years max, and planning on 4 more years here.
At this point it is certain that my wife will not make that move with me. I am sure I will miss her presence in my life. However I will not live in a place where such an essential liberty is denied to residents.
Take care,

Posted by: JT at November 15, 2005 06:23 PM
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